 | Blogs > ruggedntenderyho > Yea, I'll listen.. well maybe! > It appears women will tell us MEN what we think, but get upset if we speculate on what they think. |
5/20/2011 2:49 pm |
It seems way strange.. AND you bet when I am married I am somewhat happy to ask MY WOMAN what I think.. Hell, I know they probably know more about me than I do.. I do not find most of that at all intimidating as I, or maybe men have very few wants in life.. Shoot maybe a very few a WHOLE year where often women have MANY a day.. And YEA all of you run with that statement as I am sure that can't be understood .. I am talking the WANTS here, NOT the needs.. Keep those separate as you ponder this.. BUT I hear time and time and time again .. I am not allowed to speak for or hardly even say what I feel a woman thinks or feels because I am a man.. BUT I see ALL the time if I even remotely state what I feel a MAN or MEN or I think.. I am told I can not .. do not .. should not.. or any of the other NOTS.. I can not be that way.. I am TOLD what MEN think or what I think or what WOMEN have decided is the MAN way of thinking.. then of course the NEXT big gottttta use the wannna WAY hurt slam word or phase of.. JUST a neanderthal.. LOL |
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5/20/2011 4:26 pm |
I just happen to believe you can no more speak for all men than you or I can speak for all women. When you insist upon using a broad stroke, you can expect to get flak. In general, I find that you tend to diminish women's worth in posing her as no more than a lusted sex object, and you even excuse a man from breaking his marriage vows when he yields to the temptation to satisfy that lust, throwing all caution, responsibility and commitment to the wind. There's a price to pay for betrayal. That thinking has long since gone asunder, unless a man is thwarted in his development or is miserable in his situation and doesn't give a rat's a$$ about anyone but himself. I happen to suspect men want, need and value more than a sex object in a relationship. Furthermore, I think if you could sit down and have a good 'manly' chat with Arnold Schwarzenegger about now, he'd be crying in his beer and admitting to what a stupid jerk he was. HE will pay a dearer price in the court of public opinion than the family he's left behind. Trust me on that one. Do you suppose now he thinks it was worth it? Do you think now he'll pick up with the woman who lured him by her 'sex appeal' because she was a commoner without all the smarts, success and education his wife had? I'd lay money you're dead wrong if you believe so. Enough said - probably too much.
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5/20/2011 4:32 pm |
My problem with you is that you are always degrading women. I truly don't understand. The impressions that you present in your blogs do not resemble any woman that I know. I also don't think you speak for the majority of men. The Goodman was attracted to me , not because of smell or that I am woman, but because I still have goals in mind and things to accomplish. He is also an aggressive businessman and understands these goals. You are a mystery. But I must admit lovable!
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5/20/2011 4:53 pm |
Rugged, it isn't that we deny you your beliefs or feelings. IT'S THAT WE DISAGREE WITH YOU! AS CLEARLY EVIDENCED BY THE VOTES ON YOUR PREVIOUS POST. Don't those votes give you even a hint about whether we think what you had to say has any merit in FACT? Could it possibly be that YOU are the outlier? The votes indicate that. Kindness is more important than wisdom, and the recognition of that is the beginning of wisdom.
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5/20/2011 5:10 pm |
Well...yeah   Alfie asks, "If a man speaks in the woods and there is no woman to hear him, is he still wrong"?? If you can't go through life laughing, then why bother going!
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5/20/2011 5:52 pm |
Rugged, I had to laugh when I read this, in your response to Boogie..."has taken a HUGE amount of trying to BASH Rugged to at all interject anything about me into all this.. BUT the easiest is to bash the one saying what is said rather than give any consideration to what is said.. That shows HUGE insecurities and probably even guilt..: " THAT, Rugged IS a judgment regardless of how you dress it up with "qualifiers". I can assure you that I am not the least bit insecure about my femininity, my brains or my competence. Nor am I responding out of some mysterious deep-seated guilt. LOL In fact, I'm a great example to totally blow your contentions (be they actual contentions or "wondering why") about how "most men" react to smart and successful women. At the age of 28, I was elected to office in a field which is dominated by "the old boys' club". Not only was I elected by my local constituents, but my professional colleagues elected me to leadership positions at the county, state and federal levels. As one of those brainy, successful women, it was everything I could do to fend off the guys who were after me. At out of town events, I had to call hotel security on more than one occasion because guys wouldn't take no for an answer and followed me back to my room. Granted I was probably an average of 10 years younger than most of my female counterparts, but I never shied away from taking on ideas and "power intimidation" presented by those men. Over time I gained their respect, but the physical interest didn't wane. Contrary to the ideas you presented, they saw me (and told me such) as "exciting" specifically BECAUSE I was modestly ambitious, smart and presented myself well (the thing you referred to in your post as "doctored up"). Everything I had to say on your post's contentions had to do with the subject, as presented. None of it had to do with you as a person, in spite of the fact that I found the ideas you presented to be sexist. I don't know you and, for that matter, I'm not looking. So, if you feel that I don't "understand (you)", I'm sorry. Ideas like this ain't about you, Rugged...unless you make them. But the importance of the ideas go WAY beyond you. And they sure aren't about you when it comes to my response. I'm not even on the market. Kindness is more important than wisdom, and the recognition of that is the beginning of wisdom.
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5/20/2011 5:52 pm |
Rugged, don't drink the water in here, I'm sure some have laced it with arsenic. Most of the women on this site have "their" opinion and they inflict that opinion on everyone all the time. How dare anyone disagree with that "opinion"? All I can say is bullchit! There are a number of very judgmental individuals here who have decided that you need to be hung, quartered and eaten. Pay them no mind, you are as entitled to your opinion as they are to theirs. They had the option to read or not read your blog - they chose to read it and shoot the messenger. It's apparent that they don't read the entire blog, they skim the first few sentences then form those idiotic opinions. Anyone who has read your blogs for a while knows where you stand on cheating and they should also realize you go out of your way "not" to offend anyone. As to the voting, I have seen "disagrees" on comments on the weather. It isn't about the comment, it's about the commenter. All some have to do is see that so-and-so posted a comment and it's an automatic disagree. See what those briars do when they get in those knickers? Laugh it off and move on. No one can change those who continue to judge others, it's just too damn bad they can't realize they are worse than those they condemn. My two cents. “Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face.” Thomas Sowell
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5/20/2011 5:58 pm |
Rugged, just so you know. I don't respond to hear myself talk. I wouldn't respond to your post if I truly believed you were incapable of understanding. Hopefully, you find at least a grain of something helpful in my responses. I'm not trying to demean you. Perhaps demean some ideas......but not you. Kindness is more important than wisdom, and the recognition of that is the beginning of wisdom.
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5/20/2011 6:18 pm |
Heck I do not even know what I am thinking myself half the time so go ahead take a stab at it ... maybe you will put some bright thoughts there where there are none ... Have a good one ..... Blessings and Hugssssssssssssssssssssss Pattie ..... NEVER MAKE SOMEONE A PRIORITY ... WHO MAKES YOU AN OPTION ....
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5/20/2011 9:12 pm |
Rugged, I have read your blog for years, including all the comments. I saw you remark that maybe people don't want you here. Rest assured I don't feel that way. Although I rarely, if ever, agree with you, I appreciate your candor and openness. Reading your words is never an exercise in trying to figure out what you mean-you let it all hang out! Do I think you are sexist? Oh, yes. Do I think you are mean and hateful? Absolutely not. You simply sit down and write out your thoughts. It is an education for me to crawl inside your brain. Blog on, Rugged. Best, AneMac    Love is a picture postcard life.
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 5/20/2011 9:30 pm |
I like to read your blogs Rugged. I don't always agree, usually not, but I don't take your opinions to heart. I see the more sensitive things you write, and wonder how you can be so totally different. I am never convinced that even YOU understand or agree with what you are writing. As I said many moons ago, I would love to sit down you, and convince you don't really think Women are how you are saying they are. You are a challenge, but not a bad bloke !  [[ . Hugs across the Ocean. Jan.
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5/20/2011 9:32 pm |
Rugged, I have read your blog for years, including all the comments. I saw you remark that maybe people don't want you here. Rest assured I don't feel that way. Although I rarely, if ever, agree with you, I appreciate your candor and openness. Reading your words is never an exercise in trying to figure out what you mean-you let it all hang out! Do I think you are sexist? Oh, yes. Do I think you are mean and hateful? Absolutely not. You simply sit down and write out your thoughts. It is an education for me to crawl inside your brain. Blog on, Rugged. Best, AneMac He just needs a good Woman to put him in his place . Just kiddin Rugged.  [[ . Hugs across the Ocean. Jan.
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5/20/2011 10:28 pm |
Rugged, I've tried and tried to read your blogs but I find it very difficult to understand what it is you are actually saying. You seem to make judgements/statements and then tell us that you are not making them, it's just "how women are"...and that we are just misunderstanding your words and intent. I think, that, before you make such stereotyped statements MAYBE you should think more about how YOU actually express your views on women because you really do come across as continually disparaging and diminishing them...even though you try to tell us that you are not. In other words, you are denying responsibility for your apparent mistrust and dislike of women, and blaming "women" for misunderstanding you. Maybe, with a little clarity of thought and much less use of qualifiers, you'd find that it's not nuts!
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5/21/2011 12:40 am |
Hi Rugged: Even though I generally don't know what you're trying to say, and don't agree with your political opinions, I think you are basically a kind and innocent person who wouldn't hurt a flea. I think you're still trying to figure out the world and people, just like the rest of us. Keep blogging Rugged, and remember we can't please everyone, so just be yourself and have fun.
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5/21/2011 4:49 am |
Hey rug. I think you hit a nerve. Note the lack of the male responses. They don't dare to get any flack from 'their friends'. Heep up the good work.
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5/21/2011 6:11 am |
I think quite a few people here understand that it's your difficulty with expressing yourself clearly that is in the way of getting your intended thoughts across in a manner that does not appear offensive. Most of the time you sound so passionate and/or angry in your posts that I want to give you a tranquilizer to calm you down. You have taken to criticizing me every it as I have criticized you, so perhaps we're even on that score. It seems to have become a tit-for-tat fisty fight. I confess to failing to follow your reasoning on many occasions. You cannot successfully pound it into my head if the associative link is not there. My brain, if I may dare use that word, does not function that way. Many a bright woman has commented here and indicated the same difficulty with reading and deciphering your posts. Your rebuttal is that we don't know how to read or we haven't read at all - a comeback insult, all inclusive. Can we all be that wrong? I also confess to being disturbed at seeing you so utterly defensive, so much so that you will receive the affirmation given you by one of the most well-established, evil, nasty and condemning poxes on the site and loudly applaud her for agreeing with you, even as she proceeds to slam everyone else on SFF in the process. Shame on you! I am not the enemy! I responded to your post as I perceived it, as an insult to intelligent women, and YES, along with many other women, I took offense. No one has suggested you stop posting. I haven't even seen a hint of that. No one wants that that I can detect. Perhaps you need to edit the post that people found objectionable, and tell us what you really wished to convey ......... straighten us all out, because I'm very obviously not the only one who was put off by it as it was presented. Better yet, why don't you define the woman of your dreams - the one you hope to find - without comparing her to the rest of us. Share the qualities in the woman you would ideally seek without sweeping the rest of us under the rug. That to me would make sense. I'm fortunate that I happen to have a man in my life who is highly intelligent, artistically inclined, has a refined sense of humor, has had a professional career as a well-educated individual, reads voluminously for further knowledge, and one who respects me on similar grounds. I'm convinced people will generally seek their equals. How do you see your equal? You have every right to call it as you see it, for you. One last thing that concerns me. I do not see even one other male posting here, whether in agreement or disagreement. I find that rather strange, don't you?
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5/21/2011 7:21 am |
I think quite a few people here understand that it's your difficulty with expressing yourself clearly that is in the way of getting your intended thoughts across in a manner that does not appear offensive. Most of the time you sound so passionate and/or angry in your posts that I want to give you a tranquilizer to calm you down. You have taken to criticizing me every it as I have criticized you, so perhaps we're even on that score. It seems to have become a tit-for-tat fisty fight. I confess to failing to follow your reasoning on many occasions. You cannot successfully pound it into my head if the associative link is not there. My brain, if I may dare use that word, does not function that way. Many a bright woman has commented here and indicated the same difficulty with reading and deciphering your posts. Your rebuttal is that we don't know how to read or we haven't read at all - a comeback insult, all inclusive. Can we all be that wrong? I also confess to being disturbed at seeing you so utterly defensive, so much so that you will receive the affirmation given you by one of the most well-established, evil, nasty and condemning poxes on the site and loudly applaud her for agreeing with you, even as she proceeds to slam everyone else on SFF in the process. Shame on you! I am not the enemy! I responded to your post as I perceived it, as an insult to intelligent women, and YES, along with many other women, I took offense. No one has suggested you stop posting. I haven't even seen a hint of that. No one wants that that I can detect. Perhaps you need to edit the post that people found objectionable, and tell us what you really wished to convey ......... straighten us all out, because I'm very obviously not the only one who was put off by it as it was presented. Better yet, why don't you define the woman of your dreams - the one you hope to find - without comparing her to the rest of us. Share the qualities in the woman you would ideally seek without sweeping the rest of us under the rug. That to me would make sense. I'm fortunate that I happen to have a man in my life who is highly intelligent, artistically inclined, has a refined sense of humor, has had a professional career as a well-educated individual, reads voluminously for further knowledge, and one who respects me on similar grounds. I'm convinced people will generally seek their equals. How do you see your equal? You have every right to call it as you see it, for you. One last thing that concerns me. I do not see even one other male posting here, whether in agreement or disagreement. I find that rather strange, don't you? “Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face.” Thomas Sowell
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5/21/2011 9:20 am |
Gosh - I have to wonder how she KNEW. Amazing, isn't it, when people can so strongly identify.
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